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    Short of shipping you a gun tomorrow, how would you like them to resolve the issue? You can’t change what happened.

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    You�re so off base I can�t argue anymore, except to say I�m skeptical of your story about North Bear TU, and I can guarantee it didn�t happen in the last 5 years.

    You can be as skeptical as you like but you were there and I learned about it from you on this website, it was at Jasper Winery in DSM. My two buddies were so irritated and uncomfortable with the high snobbery we left in the middle of the film you were showing. They were trying to discuss with someone about areas of N. Bear but were basically laughed at when they said they didn’t like to fly fish.

    That’s too bad if it happened because it’s not representative of TU or the leadership of the local chapter, but there were over 100 people at that event. Less than half were members. How can you blame TU? If it was a chapter leader, I’d appreciate a PM.

    In regard to doing restoration work on private water, since I’ve been involved we cannot spend money on projects unless there is public access. It happened in the past, but it absolutely doesn’t now. In fact, Iowa chapters helped purchase a permanent public easement last year, and are actively working to acquire more.

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    You’re so off base I can’t argue anymore, except to say I’m skeptical of your story about North Bear TU, and I can guarantee it didn’t happen in the last 5 years.

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    @mhock- Our fishing license is a bargain, and I�d happily pay more like you. However, we�re in the minority. You want to see people get riled up, tell them the state is raising license fees. It�s stupid because the money goes directly to the DNR. By law, it�s not allowed to go into the general fund. We should all encourage every non-fisher or hunter we know to buy a license. The money supports programs like REAP that fund conservation projects across the state. Everyone benefits from that.

    Every year I buy:
    Fishing License, Trout Stamp, Hunting License, Habitat Stamp, State Waterfowl, Federal Waterfowl, Spring and fall Turkey Tags, 2 Archery Deer tags and 2 Gun Deer tags. I have a boat and trailer that I pay registration for, access stickers for, the ammo I buy is specially taxed, I purchase locally guns, fishing rods and reels, lures, flies, bait, clothing, camping spaces etc. I spend thousands on food, drink, and gas while supporting small towns all over the state. I give so much stinking money to the outdoors that outside of my mortgage it makes up the majority of my budget. I’m lucky too, I can afford to do all this and still be comfortable. A LOT of people CAN NOT.

    I’m all for working towards better habitat be it fishing or hunting but the idea that I or anyone else should pay extra so a select group of people can get money for their special trout pet project which actually wants me to have less access is asinine. Either the State needs to better manage the funds they have, use funds from the general fund, mandate some farm spending to the habitat, or make sacrifices. Iowa has a severe money management problem and I’m not willing to keep giving them more just because they haven’t learned to manage what they have.

    Here’s an idea for you guys that want us to give more, buy some land, spend the money on stream preservation and improvements and fish it. No doubt you can get TU to put in a bunch of $$ to protect your special private piece of enjoyment after all just like DU, they have a long history of doing so.

    You’re obviously clueless about how TU operates. They’re not the savior of our streams, but they’re a good organization.

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    @mhock- Our fishing license is a bargain, and I’d happily pay more like you. However, we’re in the minority. You want to see people get riled up, tell them the state is raising license fees. It’s stupid because the money goes directly to the DNR. By law, it’s not allowed to go into the general fund. We should all encourage every non-fisher or hunter we know to buy a license. The money supports programs like REAP that fund conservation projects across the state. Everyone benefits from that.

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    Quote by: speng5

    Just playing devils advocate here as I don�t know enough about this to make an educated guess. But what does a 11� wild fish cost in terms of the watershed and water quality improvements made in order to make previously non fertile trout waters fertile? Like watershed improvement labor and material cost to trout biomass? I do realize in time the cost washes out as improvements aren�t made constantly after a certain point but after that point it will still produce wild trout. A good investment Imo as that cost to biomass ratio gets better every year ideally.

    Good question. I believe it costs sonewhere around $75,000 to repair a mile of stream. I know that’s not exactly what you were asking. Of course, that money comes from a lot of different places. State, federal, non-profit partners, local community groups, foundations, grants, etc.

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    Anyone know the difference in the number of fishing licenses sold as opposed to trout stamps?

    242,000 annual resident licenses in 2016

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    Quote by: llewellinsetter
    The good fishing, the return of native species, the great habitat, and everything in between is because we give people the opportunity to catch 12 inch rainbows at easily accessible streams and ponds throughout the state. How many people do you think would visit NE Iowa if they didn’t have the opportunity to catch those fish? Like it or not, this aint, Montana, Colorado, or even Arkansas.

    Believe me I’m not against hoping for a better fishery with some awesome 4″ brookies that I can catch on a 3 weight BUT we will never have any of that if we take away the bread and butter.

    There are only a few streams with reproducing native trout. The South Pine strain isn’t working, so we’re searching for a replacement. We’ve made improvements in habitat and it will get better, but it’s a work in progress.

    This isn’t the West, and that’s what makes it great. It’s in my backyard. I love it so much I moved my family here from central Iowa. There ARE 20”-28” wild fish here. Wild trout fisheries are working well in the Driftless portions of Wisconsin and Minnesota. There’s no reason it can’t here. Not tomorrow, but somewhere in the future.

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    Anyone know the dollar amount on what it costs to raise a catchable size trout? Isn�t it something like $10?.

    Dang, I caught a lot of money this year. Who knew trout were Worth more than the coon I�m not trapping this year.

    It’s true. People don’t realize the cost of stocking that fish. I just double checked my number, and found a report from the Ohio DNR from January 2015 saying it cost them $9.41 to raise a 10-12” rainbow trout.

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    Iowa has made big strides toward becoming a wild trout fishery in the last 20-30 years. Browns are doing great and will continue to improve. Attention is now on finding a brook trout that will work well in Iowa. It�s not going to happen quickly, but if we find a strain of brookie that takes off as well as our browns you�ll hear more people make the case that we stop stocking rainbows in those streams and enact more protections for the fish.

    And the betterment has been because those people fishing for stocked rainbows are buying stamps. Take that away and then you’ll have no one buying trout stamps to support the funding. There simply is not enough interest outside of the weekend trout slayer to support this kind of thinking.

    A wild trout fishery requires far less resources. Hatcheries are a big expense. Anyone know the dollar amount on what it costs to raise a catchable size trout? Isn’t it something like $10? 380,000 stocked trout in 2017. A trout stamp costs $12.50 for 2018, and in 2014 there were 43,000 sold. You do the math. Trout stamps are nice money to have, but they’re not the reason for the success of our trout program.

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    Iowa has made big strides toward becoming a wild trout fishery in the last 20-30 years. Browns are doing great and will continue to improve. Attention is now on finding a brook trout that will work well in Iowa. It’s not going to happen quickly, but if we find a strain of brookie that takes off as well as our browns you’ll hear more people make the case that we stop stocking rainbows in those streams and enact more protections for the fish.

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    Quote by: djo

    Years ago I suggested two ideas to the DNR fisheries types that I thought would greatly improve Iowa as a trout fishing destination. One idea was the same as yours – once the DNR stops stocking trout then fishermen should stop killing trout thus maintaining a stable population through the winter. The second was to convert one of the better streams in the state (maybe Waterloo or North Bear) and regulate it as trophy fish water with a slot limit and limited or no stocking. The response I got was the same. Iowa fishermen are predominately interested in catching fish to take home to their freezers and would not accept ideas like this. I do not know if it is true or not.

    I have a fishing buddy who has a more cynical response. He says that if there are rules there has to be enforcement. Since enforcement on Iowa trout streams is next to non-existent, then it is foolish to institute rules that will just be ignored. I am not that cynical but he does have a point.

    I’ve been told we don’t need C&R on North Bear because it is a completely self sustaining population of brown trout, and some harvest is healthy.

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    All that said, I’d still encourage you to talk to someone in the trout program from the DNR. They’re good people and I’m sure would be happy to discuss the topic with you. We’re very fortunate to have the current DNR staff that run the trout program. They’re working hard for our trout streams, and what they do with the modest budget the state gives them is commendable.

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    I would venture to guess that very few trout are kept from November to March, regardless of weather. I would also tell you just because you weren’t catching fish doesn’t mean they aren’t there. The dumb stockers got caught, and the fish still in the stream, even if they were stocked, are smart holdover fish that behave just like wild trout. They’re there, I promise you.

    As the state moves more toward a wild trout fishery, we’ll probably need to implement more catch and release regulations. That’s a process, and I don’t see the DNR making any big changes in the next five years.

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    Just got the Filson double hunting pant, and I’ll wear them until I die. I was just curious if there was something lighter in a more modern fit that I could rotate in. Sounds like the Kuhl pants fit that description for you.

    I’ve heard the Outdoor Research gaiters are what you eventually buy.

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