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  • Avatarkenhump
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    My choice would be a Marlin 1894s in .41 mag. Awesome cartridge. I have owned 2 revolvers in .41 mag and .44 mag. .41 hands down better round.

    oldstylelightoldstylelight
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    Quote by: CRIA1576

    I recently purchased a CVA Hunter break action in .44 magnum for my 10 and 12 year old daughters. The gun came scoped with a nice CVA case for $320 out the door at Bud’s. The other suggestions are all very good choices as well, but you are going to struggle to even find a used Marlin, Winchester, or Henry for less than $600, and that won’t include a scope in most cases.

    If money wasn’t a concern, I would opt for a Henry Big Boy Carbine with the large lever loop for gloves. IME .44 mag has very little recoil and my girls (10 and 12) are shooting 1″ groups at 50 yards consistently with Federal 240 grain JHP off the shelf from Walmart.

    The .45-70 is incredibly versatile and the .450 is also a very good round. Just depends on how much felt recoil you are comfortable with especially for young shooters.

    Good luck!

    For the money, that seems like a great option. Why are the other rifles double the price? Is this gun you bought a break action like a shotgun break action being a single shot? I am going to look around locally for a little bit and probably will “pull the trigger” sometime in the near future for next years deer gun.

    AvatarCRIA1576
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    The other rifles mentioned are repeaters- either lever action or AR platform. You can also find bolt-guns in these calibers and the Ruger 96 was a lever gun based on the 10/22 design that was chambered in .44 mag and .357 if I recall.

    The CVA Hunter is a break-action single shot. The action is opened by pushing a button on the front of the trigger guard. It has a hammer with an ambidextrous spur extension that can be flipped for left and right handed shooters. There are several models to choose from including .45-70, .450 Bushmaster, .44 Magnum, etc…

    Check out this page:

    https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=CVA+Hunter

    Avataroutdoorsron
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    Hello: In my opinion the ar platform rifles are not for beginners . I would go with the 45-70 cartridge. Stay away from the hotter loads like the Leverloutions and recoil is light. A lot of people claim the recoil is bad but most have never fired a 45-70 . I shoot a Thompson Center Contender pistol in 45-70 no problems. Good Luck. O – R

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    Quote by: Olefart

    Hopefully next year they will add more calibers to their list. IMO a rifle like the .30 carbine would be a good lite recoil, lite to carry rifle for young shooters and old men. If .44, .45acp, .357 are deemed powerful enough for deer hunting, why not the .30 carbine. In the USAs wars a lot of our enemies met their maker with that caliber. Loaded with a 110 gr soft nose or HP should be more than enough to kill a deer.

    Allowing calibers below .357 is unlikely. The DNR officer I asked said they are staying away from 9mm (at .355). Yes, the 30 carbine has taken thousands of deer ethically. Remember that they are using pistol laws which only require a 4″ barrel.

    AvatarIowaSportsmanGuy
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    Dave,

    Post at your local range or gun club or store that your son would like to try shooting different rounds for recoil. If you pay for ammunition, the hunting community seems really helpful. Our local range rents a few guns but not really hunting rifles. You can find out what your son can handle in terms of recoil without taking the $200 hit in depreciation if the recoil is too strong.

    If you post on here, people would probably be willing to help. My recommendation would be pistol cartridges like the 357 mag, 44 mag or 45 Colt. All of those will be available at the local sporting good stores if you forget or drop the ammo. The recoil will be light, similar to .223 Rem, allowing your son to develop good shooting habits. A proper fitting rifle will make a big difference in the felt recoil. I bought a used stock on ebay to cut down and fit for LOP.

    For lever guns, the Marlin lever series is a good mix of affordable and reliable. Avoid the Rossi lever rifles for your first field gun. I’ve had zero problems with the three I’ve owned but there are a lot of negative reviews. I’d hate to see your sons first hunt spoiled by a locked up rifle. The Rossi Wizard single shots are very affordable and reliable. You can swap barrels in 30 seconds for a stronger cartridge and all I’ve shot have been 1.5″ or less at 75 yards.

    The optic depends on your sons size, your idea of ethical distance, your hunting conditions. Can you and your son use the same rifle with LOP and eye relief for the scope? Do you have the shooting skills to ethically place a shot at distances that require a scope? Does the terrain you hunt allow open areas where you can take a shot at such a distance? Does the cartridge you chose have the power to ethically take deer at that distance? Can your son handle the recoil of the rifle without getting scope bit? Can your son hold the rifle at shoulder with the added optic weight again and again if the deer moves?

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    In the same boat as you, definitely not a rifle guy myself either. Like you I’ve owned .22’s and years ago I had a .223. Due to hardly ever using it (few times a year) I ended up selling it.

    Laugh if you want but I bought a Marlin 1895 in .45-70. Reason being I want to get into reloading and I have seen in my research that .45-70 is an excellent load for reloaders and very versatile. You can down load it for youth to take deer easily and without much recoil, or you can load it hot for just about any big game there is. I figure it will be nice to have for the prospect of a bear or hog hunt sometime. I also like the availability of ammo in general. I am a poor planner and forgetful at times so its nice to shoot a round I can pick up at most any sporting goods or hardware store.

    I had heard great things about the Hornady Leverevolution, so I picked up some boxes of it. I was shooting the 250 gr MonoFlex to get the feel of the gun and since I didn’t know what to expect in
    terms of recoil I figured on trying that before moving up to 325, 350 gr or higher. The 250 was not bad at all. Way softer than any shotgun shooting a slug and this is without any recoil pad or anything. Shoots pretty flat out to well past 100 supposedly though since I have open sights for now, I never tried it out that far. I could have shot it all day and not had a sore shoulder. I am an idiot when it comes to rifles and sighting in (partially why I don’t own the .223 anymore) so imagine my pleasant surprise when I was shooting a 2.5″ group at about 95 yards with open sights after a couple handfuls of shots. It’s a simple gun that shoots a simple round. I like simplicity in a rifle due to my inexperience.

    I probably won’t ever put a true scope on it but have entertained the thought of a red dot just to turn it into a real tack driver at 100 and possibly extend my range a bit further. Where and how I hunt rarely leave me a shot opportunity longer than 125 or 150 anyway so not like I’m really missing out.

    Also since it is a large heavy and relatively slow moving bullet, you are most often left with a very clean wound channel without an exaggerated exit wound blowout and a ton of blood shot meat. You can eat right up to the hole in most cases. Excellent penetration especially on a deer.

    Last but not least I just like the dang gun. I’m a sucker for older firearms so a Marlin lever action just seemed freakin cool and now that they are legal I have an excuse to own one B) Price wasn’t awful. I got the 1895 with a 22″ barrel instead of the 1895G with the 18″ barrel. I think both could be had for around $600. You move up a couple “trim packages” (i’m not sure what the levels of bells and whistles are called) and you get a nicer finish, I think some hold 10 rounds instead of mine that holds 4, etc, but the price jumps QUICK. For what I got and paid I am pleased, as it aims and points nicely and isn’t ungodly heavy as far as guns go.

    I dont know age/size of your son but if he can handle a shotgun or muzzy he could handle the .45-70 250 gr with ease. Maybe even the 325’s. With enough range time and decent optics, and a rangefinder (unless you’re real sharp at judging distance) I don’t see why it couldn’t be a decent 125-150 yard gun as long as you understand the drop and ballistics.

    I will say if you want to become a real sharpshooter or take real long shots there are certainly better options out there.

    To my understanding a 250 grain bullet would have the same recoil as a 400 grain bullet because the have the same powder charge. The grain refers to the bullet size. Someone please correct me if I�m wrong.

    That is true although for the ammo choices I was looking at (granted the place I was only had like 2 choices of bullet and one choice between those of grain), the packaging indicated the 350 and higher grains had a higher velocity out the muzzle and less drop downrange. At the time I assumed that was due to a different powder charge? But I could very well be wrong on that. I assumed to get a heavier round traveling faster with less drop at the same range it would take more powder, which I did attribute to recoil. Again maybe that isn’t what is making the difference.[/p

    I’m pretty sure the 250 and 325 have they same powder charge. It’s has to do with Newton’s first law of motion: a object in motion stays in motion. The heavier grain bullets have less drop because the bullet carries more momentum.

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    Which seasons would you be able to use a rifle such as the Ruger American 450 bushmaster?

    topH20terrortopH20terror
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    Quote by: nielsmag

    Which seasons would you be able to use a rifle such as the Ruger American 450 bushmaster?

    Gun season 1 or 2. Today was the last day for season 1. This Saturday is the start of season 2.

    oldstylelightoldstylelight
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    Thanks to all for the replies. All good thoughts and suggestions (except the AR 🙂 )

    Can’t wait to get a new toy.

    3.5 tens3.5 tens
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    I’m confused………………………..is the 30-30 not a gun that can be used??????

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    AvatarIowaSportsmanGuy
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    I’m confused………………………..is the 30-30 not a gun that can be used??????

    No, it is not legal. The 30-30 is not a straight wall cartridge, there is a step-down in the case making it an illegal cartridge for deer in Iowa.

    ECFirearmsECFirearms
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    Quote by: 3.5+tens

    I’m confused………………………..is the 30-30 not a gun that can be used??????

    see the approved list here:
    http://www.iowadnr.gov/About-DNR/DNR-News-Releases/ArticleID/1624/New-law-allows-approved-pistol-cartridges-for-use-in-rifles-to-hunt-deer

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    nater3nater3
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    I bought a Henry Big Boy Steel in 44 mag that I am going to use this weekend, but am currently working on putting together a .50 Beowulf for the future. Not sure I will use it on deer, but gives me a reason to buy one!

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    The Beowulf has a weird looking case. I find them at the range occasionally. Looks like you could stick your thumb down it.

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