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  • Avatardogdown
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    Quote by: llewellinsetter

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    a national guardsmen at the front door of every school in America

    The idea that people want to live this way is insane to me. Might as well move to North Korea as this is what kind of government these types of decisions lead to.

    A very viable option that could be the first line of defense. There are enough guardsman that the rotation is very doable. I would say that banning guns thinking that would solve all the problems sounds more like living in North Korea, oh wait , maybe North Korea is arming all there citizens in case the US attacks. What’s our option, disarm all of us making it impossible to defend ourselves.

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    Quote by: BrownItsDown As long as it stopped there with government involvement in our public schools. Comparing this idea to living in NK is ridiculous llewellinsetter, but I think you already knew that.

    It doesn’t stop there, it NEVER stops there, thus my point of NK or any other communist/marxist/socialist country in history. It’s a slow burn, a very slow burn and you’re either choosing to not understand world history or just too near sited to see it happening.

    I’m not choosing to not understand world history. LOL. I don’t think your comment even makes sense there.
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    I’m not too near sited to see it happening.

    I’d entertain the idea. Reasons: Our taxes pay for both our public schools and our National Guard programs. Private security is expensive. NG programs are already funded, so scheduling individual National Guards Men/Women, one week per year, to man front door security stations at public schools, would come at no extra expense to anyone. I could see a few benefits from this, above and beyond, adding security / protection to our schools.

    I understand your slippery slope concept, (I have a decent amount of knowledge pertaining to world history), but am willing to give a little in order to get a little. Place checks-&-balances in place to keep the slow burn from occurring, and this should be an idea for everyone to at least entertain.

    Personally, my family Home Schools, (due to the MANY issues we’ve identified with the public school system), so I don’t really have much skin in this game. My Home School is well protected though, and it’s all been privately funded.

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    Where was all the non stop media coverage for Kentucky, those lives not important, because the shooter used a pistol. If where’re going to disarm the law abiding, then let’s do it across the board. Politicians and their guards, let’s make them feel as safe as the rest of us. All those rich and famous who think they are so important that they need an armed guard, what do they have to fear. The only ones giving up their guns are the law abiding citizen, the average joe, our lives matter to no one.

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    Apparently you won’t either. 🙄

    Eh? Speak up. I can’t HEAR you. 🙄

    Do you have a point? Suggestion? Solution? Contribution? Anything?

    I certainly do. And thanks for questioning me. I think my point is evident, my suggestions are few, solutions are nil. I’d like to think I can contribute some how, some way. And I pray this humble post is a start. You’re smart ‘setter. I know that from reading stuff here on this site. Between you and I let’s get something started. Let’s find a fix. Let’s talk about it.

    River

    You point is not evident at all. Ideas are not difficult to spell out, so spell it out.

    What is the root to this problem that you alluded to but did not specify. We all come from different backgrounds and upbringing. What you assume I know you should know is not always what I know you know?

    So spell it out. The problem is: __________

    Is it liberals? Democrats? Gun Crazies? Lack of fathers? Lack of extreme gun control? Gun culture? Non citizens? Certain races? The NRA? Gangs?

    Sheesh man, just give an answer or say your idea instead of being so cryptic. We’re adults here. We can have a conversation.

    WhipWhip
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    I also believe the violent gaming and glamor of the bad boy rap culture is a factor. But I suppose that 50 years ago my parents talked about rock and roll in a similar fashion. Here in Wyoming some schools are in the process of arming staff.

    Whip

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    Nater and Smokepole-

    Thank you for choosing to teach, and I appreciate the suggestions and feedback. It is good to know that we have sportsmen representing sometimes unpopular opposing views in our schools. It also good to know that some reasonable options are being presented.

    It’s interesting to me how far we’ve deteriorated as a society in the last 25 years. I went to Urbandale (Des Moines) High School in the early 90’s, and as a junior brought my Ithaca 12 gauge pump to school for a demonstrative speech on how to clean it. The teacher knew/approved the subject of my speech a week in advance, and I simply brought it in the building in a soft case from my car over the lunch hour. I performed the speech, got a pass to take it back to my car when I was done, and went about the rest of my day without issues. No way that is happening ever again…

    In lieu of improvements to mental health management and data sharing amongst law enforcement, ATF, and FBI, IMO school security should be a #1 priority at the state and national levels. Metal detectors, body scanners, full-time security, national guardsmen, armed volunteers, armed teachers, plain clothes “school marshalls”, etc…, should all be on the table as options to keep our kids safe. One thing is certain, and that is kids will continue to die at the hands of lunatics, fundamentalists, scorned lovers, etc…, in our schools unless some defensive action is taken.

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    Our boys H.S basketball team was scheduled to play Nevada this past Monday evening, but it was cancelled as there was a bomb threat. My son said word was the email came from an overseas account. don’t know the logistics of all that stuff but these bomb threats IMO also need HARSH punishments. I know they happen alot in schools across the country but I can’t ever recall hearing about any punishments being doled out or what the punishment is. “Back in my day” (late 80s) the worst you ever heard about was someone pulling the fire alarm. That was usually the same kids throughout their H.S. career. Those of us that feared an in school suspension or God forbid an out of school suspension dared not pull a stunt like that. You just didn’t have this violence. Yes the occassional, “meet at the park after school” fight, but even those were blown out of proportion. They were alot more exciting when you hear the story told over a beer now than they ever were.

    Point being bomb threats should be looked at harder, because I don’t hear any news of people getting busted for it.

    Also, armed teachers aren’t gonna stop a bomb so it all needs to tie together in the prevention plans.

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    Maybe that sounded snarky. Not my intention. Truly, ready to listen to solutions.

    You want the honest answer?

    There are no instant solutions to the immediate issue. There are no immediate solutions to any of the issues we face in society. Looking at America as a specific, our society was created out of a need for freedom. It was built out of violence, sacrifice, God and a selfless collective need to get to a place where civility took over and we lived mostly in harmony. Kids were kept in check by parents, neighbors, teachers now they sue the district for getting yelled at. Someone mentioned we used to settle issues with fists, well you can’t do that any more because they’ll sue you for your home and your 401K. Societal norms were “enforced” by responsible members of society. In short, we were allowed to and did “police” ourselves. We are no longer allowed to do so.

    Social issues, governmental power, desire for the self well being, the need to blame someone for every single issue have deteriorated this country to a place where it is lost it’s identity. Hell, we can’t even have different views on politics or religion without someone calling you a bigot, racist, hateful SOB. You can’t even say Hell or SOB on this site because someone will get offended.

    If you want to really solve the problem you have to “fix” society. Like it or not, these issues are here to stay and will only get worse as the breakdown of society continues.

    As a Christian, I’m aware that this world will eventually end in chaos and there’s nothing we can do about that save for living an honest Godly life.
    1 John 5:19
    We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.
    2 Timothy 3:1-5
    But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

    BUT you can take care of your own world and actions in hope that they influence others’ actions. For me, it’s Biblical reality and I’ll make my way through it as best I can knowing that we can’t protect everyone all of the time. That’s just life. I’m far from a perfect person and don’t think I have the answers but I do know enough to know there are multiple rules out there in this game of life and depending on where you fit in the spectrum you may or may not be protected by them. Maybe, probably, you guys think I’m nuts but I think you are nuts if you think it’s wise to turn everything over to the government in the hopes of “protecting” us with soldiers in schools when in reality, all this would do is compound the societal divide and hasten the decline.

    I’m not saying all is lost but I am saying to stop giving power to places where it creates more problems and just start living your life better so it affects the people you come into contact with so they start living their life better.

    Sarcasm entails a few things: one of them is intellect, another one is a sense of humor, and a third - not taking things too personally.

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    I dont agree with lewellin on everything, but I sure do agree that I don’t want to live where there is military posted at school daily. That is not a picture of freedom and not a normal that I want people getting used to because that is a slippery slope, armed military deployed full time on US soil to keep the peace is not a big reach from martial law. Next time there is a movie theater or mall shooting we can add some there as well. Then on street corners in major cities.

    I dont know that there is an across the board policy answer to solve it, but this sure isnt it.

    smokepolesmokepole
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    Quote by: CRIA1576

    Nater and Smokepole-

    Thank you for choosing to teach, and I appreciate the suggestions and feedback. It is good to know that we have sportsmen representing sometimes unpopular opposing views in our schools. It also good to know that some reasonable options are being presented.

    It’s interesting to me how far we’ve deteriorated as a society in the last 25 years. I went to Urbandale (Des Moines) High School in the early 90’s, and as a junior brought my Ithaca 12 gauge pump to school for a demonstrative speech on how to clean it. The teacher knew/approved the subject of my speech a week in advance, and I simply brought it in the building in a soft case from my car over the lunch hour. I performed the speech, got a pass to take it back to my car when I was done, and went about the rest of my day without issues. No way that is happening ever again…

    In lieu of improvements to mental health management and data sharing amongst law enforcement, ATF, and FBI, IMO school security should be a #1 priority at the state and national levels. Metal detectors, body scanners, full-time security, national guardsmen, armed volunteers, armed teachers, plain clothes “school marshalls”, etc…, should all be on the table as options to keep our kids safe. One thing is certain, and that is kids will continue to die at the hands of lunatics, fundamentalists, scorned lovers, etc…, in our schools unless some defensive action is taken.

    I don’t know what the perfect answer or solution is or if there is one. I do know sitting around hoping society cures itself is not the answer. That may come someday but I have a feeling it’s far off in the future. When the airline industry had its problems they secured the doors to the *censored*pit and armmed the pilots. I believe some flights had armed agents in the passenger area also. How many hijackings have we had lately?

    quailslayerquailslayer
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    The problem is mental health hands down, how many of these lunatics were prescribed mental heath drugs. We need to really think about HIPPA and make mental heath a flag on the background check when applying to purchase a gun. You got a mental issue a flag goes up on the background check no purchase allowed. Now that being said we as gun owners need to make sure access is not allowed to family members with mental health issues as well.

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    Quote by: quailslayer

    The problem is mental health hands down, how many of these lunatics were prescribed mental heath drugs. We need to really think about HIPPA and make mental heath a flag on the background check when applying to purchase a gun. You got a mental issue a flag goes up on the background check no purchase allowed. Now that being said we as gun owners need to make sure access is not allowed to family members with mental health issues as well.

    Who gets to decide what a “mental” issue is? The Va has alredy determined that if you have any form of PTSD you should lose your rights to own a firearm. Dr’s already are asking if you have guns in the house and now you want HIPPA to go away? Amazing how quickly you guys will give up your rights under the guise of safety. What was it said, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    Sarcasm entails a few things: one of them is intellect, another one is a sense of humor, and a third - not taking things too personally.

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    Quote by: quailslayer

    The problem is mental health hands down, how many of these lunatics were prescribed mental heath drugs. We need to really think about HIPPA and make mental heath a flag on the background check when applying to purchase a gun. You got a mental issue a flag goes up on the background check no purchase allowed. Now that being said we as gun owners need to make sure access is not allowed to family members with mental health issues as well.

    Interested in knowing whether or not the kid had taken any of the attention deficit disorder medications. Most do now a days.

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    First thing that would help would be to get the main stream media to quit continually reporting about it ( sensationalizing it ) WTF they have become the thought police.

    quailslayerquailslayer
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    How many people die in this country from drunk drivers?? They never blame the car it’s the person behind the wheel. No different in a mass shooting it’s the person.

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