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    The base problem is that so many people are willing to kill others, often over very little. The government has systematically removed all church influence from the school system. Add to that, teaching scientology where the strongest and most powerful survive with little or no compassion, or respect for others. With no respect, love, or fear of God. No fear or thought of afterlife and or Hell. They apparently have concern for only moment, and any fame ( not the best word to use) or notoriety. The media glorifies bullies, just look at the late night shows and many of the so called “comedians”. A presidential election that ran and lost on what to many seemed to be only hatred and if at all possible destroy the lives of those who disagree with you. I fear the trend will continue. Until the system is able and allowed to teach respect, and that each person is responsible for their own actions, choices, and the consequences of them, that things will only get worse. My thoughts and prayers go out to all those affected by these Horrible school attacks. Sorry for the incomplete previous post. I hit submit instead of preview..

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    We need stiffer penalties for people who do this! Not a slap on the wrist oh sent off to prison & a big name for the media to put out there! Something needs to change! We can change! Scare these sick people into not doing this! If u do this u will be in hell on earth! Even that rapist Nasser they should’ve let every father of those girls beat the sht outta him. How can we just let this happen then oh prison 100yrs fed good & taken care of!

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    Apparently you won’t either. 🙄

    Eh? Speak up. I can’t HEAR you. 🙄

    Do you have a point? Suggestion? Solution? Contribution? Anything?

    I certainly do. And thanks for questioning me. I think my point is evident, my suggestions are few, solutions are nil. I’d like to think I can contribute some how, some way. And I pray this humble post is a start. You’re smart ‘setter. I know that from reading stuff here on this site. Between you and I let’s get something started. Let’s find a fix. Let’s talk about it.

    River

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    I know what it is. Don’t let liberals have access to guns.

    Come on man. You got more to offer than that.

    Peace,
    River

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    Remember Hitler spread his twisted ideology by controlling what was taught to the children. This is where the down fall started and where repairing it must be done.

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    Lol I never said anything like that! We need more strict ways to prevent these guns from getting into the wrong peoples hands. Y do people need ARs huh? Oh they’re fun to shoot. Can u hunt w/ them? No. Can u target practice? No unless u wanna blow some sht up! Sick of people defending these stupid guns! Unless ur in combat u don’t need them! A shotty or handgun will be plenty of home protection. Where do u live? Compton? No IOWA!

    The AR is a great platform for a sporting and hunting rifle. People hunt with them everyday across America. They are used for general varmint control such as prairie dogs and used for coyote hunting. Also used much more often in other states for controlling feral hogs. So yes, you can hunt with them and people do all the time. People also target practice with them all the time. I love target shooting with them. They are great to shoot and a wonderful way to hang out and bond with my friends and family while having a great time shooting some steel plates down range.

    The main thing they are NOT used for is shooting other people with. As much as the media would have you think otherwise, it is very rare to be shot with any long rifle or any gun in general. I believe the number of gun deaths by long rifle is like 1%-2% of all gun deaths and the AR is a percentage of that but I would want to double check that number before writing it in stone.

    It sounds like you are pretty ignorant on this subject and I would hope you would do some research before spouting gibberish off like the rest of the Liberal gun grabbers. Also, can you please use proper spelling and grammar when you post. It’s difficult to read when folks don’t do those things.

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    We need stiffer penalties for people who do this! Not a slap on the wrist oh sent off to prison & a big name for the media to put out there! Something needs to change! We can change! Scare these sick people into not doing this! If u do this u will be in hell on earth! Even that rapist Nasser they should’ve let every father of those girls beat the sht outta him. How can we just let this happen then oh prison 100yrs fed good & taken care of!

    Did you really believe this when you wrote it? Look at the percentage of people that do mass shootings that live. Most kill themself or get shot by police. You really think you can scare them to not do it?

    I am glad they got this guy alive. Maybe they can study him to learn more about why someone would do this.

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    Lol u know what that means? Things won’t change unless we change & do something about it. They’ve caught plenty of terrorists & school shooters what did they learn from them? Not a damn thing. ARs are not for sport unless u need 20 shots to kill something. Whatever u guys think to hell w/ u!

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    Lol I never said anything like that! We need more strict ways to prevent these guns from getting into the wrong peoples hands. Y do people need ARs huh? Oh they’re fun to shoot. Can u hunt w/ them? No. Can u target practice? No unless u wanna blow some sht up! Sick of people defending these stupid guns! Unless ur in combat u don’t need them! A shotty or handgun will be plenty of home protection. Where do u live? Compton? No IOWA!

    Yes, the ar-15 is a common hunting rifle for dogging. Yes, the ar-15 is commonly used for target practice. No, the ar-15 does not commonly blow stuff up, grenade launchers are tightly controlled.

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    Lol u know what that means? Things won’t change unless we change & do something about it. They’ve caught plenty of terrorists & school shooters what did they learn from them? Not a damn thing. ARs are not for sport unless u need 20 shots to kill something. Whatever u guys think to hell w/ u!

    Actually I have 10 round magazines I use.

    So what do you propose we do to stop people from killing other people? This extends far beyond guns because people are killed in many, many more ways than being shot. How do you propose we legislate people from being allowed to have metal problems? I would love to hear your ideas on how to do that because that is the only solution. You have to stop allowing people with mental issues to have mental issues and to act out against others in ways that the rest of us can’t understand or relate to.

    Seriously, try to have a discussion about this and share your ideas. Don’t get frustrated from your lack of knowledge and resort to name calling. Educate yourself and share some ideas that make sense. All Liberals say we need to do something and ban this and and that. They did ban many media called “assault rifles” at one time and you know what changed….. nothing. Nothing changed because the guns were not the problem. People are the problem and until you can fix that than all you can do is plan ahead and mitigate the damage a deranged person may cause using what ever way means they can.

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    I know what it is. Don’t let liberals have access to guns.

    This was tragic for many people and this guy has to make this very stupid comment. This guy shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a firearm!

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    I know what it is. Don’t let liberals have access to guns.

    This was tragic for many people and this guy has to make this very stupid comment. This guy shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a firearm!

    Aww poor baby the truth hurts when it hits right at home doesn’t it? The facts are it doesn’t matter what gun was used it’s the people using them. If you look at every one of these mass shootings closely you’ll find the common denominator. There have been 51 people shot and killed in Chicago so far this year and it doesn’t even make the national news. Not a word about more gun laws what guns were used, it’s all about politics. But hey it keeps ignorant people like you involved.

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    This should have been prevented. This is another black eye on the FBI and our law enforcement bureaucracy.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.nbyd9GAJQ#.orqlxMke9

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    This should have been prevented. This is another black eye on the FBI and our law enforcement bureaucracy.
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasacks/the-fbi-was-warned-about-a-school-shooting-threat-from?utm_term=.nbyd9GAJQ#.orqlxMke9

    For the rest of you…do you not understand you are arguing with trolls? The number of posts should be your first clue. Don’t feed into the nonsense.

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    Maybe I’m being naive, but aren’t there alot of legitimate “professional shooter” i.e. target, skeet, etc, out there? I’m not sure that statement alone should be a red flag??? Maybe in this day and age it is. Maybe when you combine it with the person and other posts and pics he shared on social media?

    I like how on the morning news shows today they express the outrage yet again onhow these guns are being used to kill children and then 5 minutes later they are up in arms on how Trump made 8 public appearances and statements before commenting on whether a former staffer beat is ex wives. I could care less about that guy. Is a real discussion on how to move forward on how mentally disturbed people are being ignored in this country ever going to be put forth or are we going to keep ignoring them?

    Maybe they should be pinning some catchy hashtag pins on the dead.

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    There is a root to this problem and nobody is ever going to talk about it. Nobody

    River

    I know what it is. Don’t let liberals have access to guns.

    This was tragic for many people and this guy has to make this very stupid comment. This guy shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a firearm!

    Like so many other liberals, we have have spell out the facts for you because emotions cloud the truth. The truth is when you look at the political affiliations of the vast majority of massacre shooters they ARE NOT conservatives. A few were, but the VAST MAJORITY ARE REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. Smokepole is simply stating facts, and like most facts that hurt the democrats pride and refute their beliefs they choose not to beleive and continue to live in Nevernever Land.

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    Lol I never said anything like that! We need more strict ways to prevent these guns from getting into the wrong peoples hands. Y do people need ARs huh? Oh they’re fun to shoot. Can u hunt w/ them? No. Can u target practice? No unless u wanna blow some sht up! Sick of people defending these stupid guns! Unless ur in combat u don’t need them! A shotty or handgun will be plenty of home protection. Where do u live? Compton? No IOWA!

    Obviously you know nothing about guns. Your second sentence clearly states that there need to be stricter rules for ARs. First if you are going to defend yourself in your home, the shotgun would be my 1st choice and a pistol. But you would never know why because you don’t understand guns. Second, yes I do use my ARs for hunting, only hunting. Not because I can have a high capacity magazine, just like you can have for your pistol or shotgun, but because of twist rates and ballistic advantages that common over the counter bolt guns don’t offer.
    Why is it you people only come out of the woodwork when an AR is used.
    I’m not defending the AR, I’m defending a right given to us from our founding fathers, my rights, your rights to own any gun that you feel you want or need.
    Also, this could have been prevented with out any new laws or banning any guns. The warning signs where there and law enforcement at the highest level failed to act on warnings that were posted on social media and to people. Who dropped the ball again. And what is the answer to the problem from liberals and woodtick, take away the gun. The gun, just a tool, one of many. An 18 wheeler, a bomb, a gun, just tools.
    Nikolas Cruz “I’m going to be a professional school shooter” September 25, 2017 on YouTube.
    Go ahead woodtick, blame the gun if it makes you sleep better at night. If they ban the AR, will you sleep sounder knowing that a pistol or a shotgun kills just as deadly as an ar.

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    I blame parents.I believe thats where it begins. Then its social media. Just like any web site its easy to type then to speak your peace to someones face. There isnt going to be a solution to this type of tragedy till we face what we have become as a society. I for one have had it. Im pissed just as much as some of you on here and I dont have a solution just an opinion and thats to do away with semi auto weapons. I thought I would never say this and I hate myself for it. Laws dont work in this area I know. These are my gut feelings guys. Someone help change them with a better opinion please….Thank you

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    I blame parents.I believe thats where it begins. Then its social media. Just like any web site its easy to type then to speak your peace to someones face. There isnt going to be a solution to this type of tragedy till we face what we have become as a society. I for one have had it. Im pissed just as much as some of you on here and I dont have a solution just an opinion and thats to do away with semi auto weapons. I thought I would never say this and I hate myself for it. Laws dont work in this area I know. These are my gut feelings guys. Someone help change them with a better opinion please….Thank you

    I understand your frustrations. The problems is you/we CANNOT remove semi automatic weapons from society. The bad guys wont give them up. Period. There are already laws preventing criminals from getting these weapons s and they still get them. I know you want something done, but this will just cause more murders because of lack of protection for good people (ex. Chicago, California).

    Security precautions is the only answer.

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    Do we post a couple Nat’l Guard soldiers at our schools? Single entrances with multiple cameras and a guard? Some would say they don’t want to see that but I would. I think the kids that survived yesterday would.

    America first???

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